1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:07,317 --> 00:00:09,664 [music playing] 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:27,165 --> 00:00:30,030 [MUSIC - PHIL COLLINS, "IN THE AIR TONIGHT"] 5 00:00:40,937 --> 00:00:42,214 PHIL COLLINS: This record definitely 6 00:00:42,318 --> 00:00:46,563 is autobiographical, but notjust focusing on the sadness. 7 00:00:46,667 --> 00:00:49,290 That's the thing that isa misconception, I think. 8 00:00:49,394 --> 00:00:51,603 It's triggered by an event. 9 00:00:51,706 --> 00:00:56,642 It chronicles, you know, a life in motion. 10 00:00:56,746 --> 00:01:01,544 [SINGING] I can feel itcoming in the air tonight. 11 00:01:01,647 --> 00:01:04,547 Oh Lord. 12 00:01:04,650 --> 00:01:11,933 And I've been waiting forthis moment for all my life. 13 00:01:12,037 --> 00:01:14,488 Oh, Lord. 14 00:01:14,591 --> 00:01:17,007 I wasn't even intending onwriting a song, you know. 15 00:01:17,111 --> 00:01:18,423 I want to sit down and write a song. 16 00:01:18,526 --> 00:01:19,872 I just was fooling around. 17 00:01:19,976 --> 00:01:22,530 And I got these chords thatare liked, and the sound. 18 00:01:22,634 --> 00:01:24,187 The chords went with the sound. 19 00:01:24,291 --> 00:01:28,743 It all was-- you couldn'thave played faster or slower 20 00:01:28,847 --> 00:01:30,642 than the sound allowed you to. 21 00:01:30,745 --> 00:01:33,541 So it sort of created itself. 22 00:01:33,645 --> 00:01:36,372 So I turned the microphoneon, and I saw the meter move. 23 00:01:36,475 --> 00:01:37,545 That was a good sign. 24 00:01:37,649 --> 00:01:39,513 And then I started singing. 25 00:01:39,616 --> 00:01:42,516 And the lyrics you hear were what 26 00:01:42,619 --> 00:01:47,762 I wrote spontaneously withthe feeling of that music 27 00:01:47,866 --> 00:01:49,868 at that time. 28 00:01:49,971 --> 00:01:56,012 [SINGING] Well if you toldme you you were drowning, 29 00:01:56,116 --> 00:02:00,844 I would not lend a hand. 30 00:02:00,948 --> 00:02:04,434 I seen your face before, my friend, 31 00:02:04,538 --> 00:02:09,577 but I don't know if you know who I am. 32 00:02:09,681 --> 00:02:12,201 This frightens me a bit, because there's 33 00:02:12,304 --> 00:02:15,376 obviously something going on inthere that I don't know about. 34 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,965 But I'm quite proud ofthe fact that I sang 99.9% 35 00:02:18,068 --> 00:02:19,346 of those lyrics spontaneously. 36 00:02:19,449 --> 00:02:20,485 And when someone says now tell me, 37 00:02:20,588 --> 00:02:22,245 Phil, what is it really about? 38 00:02:22,349 --> 00:02:23,660 I say I don't know. 39 00:02:23,764 --> 00:02:26,939 I've no idea, because I justmade it up as I went along. 40 00:02:27,043 --> 00:02:31,047 [SINGING] But I was there,and I saw what you did. 41 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:36,156 I saw it with my own two eyes. 42 00:02:36,259 --> 00:02:38,986 So you can wipe off that grin. 43 00:02:39,089 --> 00:02:41,333 I know where you've been. 44 00:02:41,437 --> 00:02:43,887 It's all been a pack of lies. 45 00:02:46,959 --> 00:02:50,825 I lived outside Guilford, in avillage called Shalford Common. 46 00:02:50,929 --> 00:02:53,690 And I was just a relativelywell-known pop star. 47 00:02:53,794 --> 00:02:56,072 You know, I mean I had Ihad a wife and two children, 48 00:02:56,176 --> 00:02:57,211 and two dogs. 49 00:02:57,315 --> 00:02:59,075 And then the next day I didn't have anything. 50 00:02:59,179 --> 00:03:03,183 So I actually had a lot of time on my hands. 51 00:03:03,286 --> 00:03:05,530 So I don't know. That's sounds terrible. 52 00:03:05,633 --> 00:03:07,911 I don't want to make itsound like the carpet was 53 00:03:08,015 --> 00:03:09,223 ripped out from underneath me. 54 00:03:09,327 --> 00:03:12,088 I played my part in this mistake, too. 55 00:03:12,192 --> 00:03:15,091 So a lot of these songs werewritten because at the time 56 00:03:15,195 --> 00:03:18,059 I was you going through this emotional changes. 57 00:03:18,163 --> 00:03:21,028 But to me it was just thesound of the words, you know. 58 00:03:21,131 --> 00:03:22,305 I didn't know what I was singing about. 59 00:03:22,409 --> 00:03:26,171 I mean obviously when you'regoing through a divorce 60 00:03:26,275 --> 00:03:29,036 all kinds of things run through your mind. 61 00:03:29,139 --> 00:03:32,695 There's anger, there'sbitterness, there's hurt, 62 00:03:32,798 --> 00:03:33,868 you know. 63 00:03:33,972 --> 00:03:35,698 And all that stuff is in "In the Air Tonight." 64 00:03:35,801 --> 00:03:36,595 Menace. 65 00:03:39,495 --> 00:03:40,806 Finally losing your temper at the end, 66 00:03:40,910 --> 00:03:42,049 when the drums come in. 67 00:03:42,152 --> 00:03:45,017 [drums] 68 00:03:47,123 --> 00:03:52,922 [SINGING] Coming in the air tonight, oh Lord. 69 00:03:56,028 --> 00:03:58,376 I've been waiting for this moment 70 00:03:58,479 --> 00:04:01,827 for all my life, oh Lord. 71 00:04:04,934 --> 00:04:13,287 I can feel it in the air tonight, oh Lord. 72 00:04:13,391 --> 00:04:16,083 I remember when I was at the demo stage. 73 00:04:16,186 --> 00:04:18,672 You hear clicks when thefridge was going on and off, 74 00:04:18,775 --> 00:04:20,467 and then the phone wouldring, and I wouldn't hear it, 75 00:04:20,570 --> 00:04:23,055 and I listened back to itlater and there'd be a phone 76 00:04:23,159 --> 00:04:23,953 ringing in the background. 77 00:04:24,056 --> 00:04:25,368 And I didn't really mind. 78 00:04:25,472 --> 00:04:26,818 At the time, to be honest, I never 79 00:04:26,921 --> 00:04:29,269 knew that was going to bean outlet for these tapes. 80 00:04:29,372 --> 00:04:33,480 This was just me expressingmyself, and learning 81 00:04:33,583 --> 00:04:37,277 how to operate the equipment. 82 00:04:37,380 --> 00:04:40,210 [music playing] 83 00:04:42,799 --> 00:04:45,146 The whole thing was set up by this, really. 84 00:04:45,250 --> 00:04:48,460 The mood of this drum machine. 85 00:04:48,564 --> 00:04:49,737 For me. 86 00:04:49,841 --> 00:04:52,602 When you hear that, you couldn't possibly 87 00:04:52,706 --> 00:04:54,915 replace that with real drums. 88 00:04:55,018 --> 00:04:58,470 People say why do you use drummachines when you're a drummer. 89 00:04:58,574 --> 00:04:59,575 And it's just that sometimes drum 90 00:04:59,678 --> 00:05:01,680 machines give you things that-- 91 00:05:01,784 --> 00:05:02,957 it's the atmosphere. 92 00:05:03,061 --> 00:05:04,787 It's relentless. Doesn't move. 93 00:05:04,890 --> 00:05:06,720 A drummer would get boredplaying anything like this. 94 00:05:06,823 --> 00:05:15,798 Dumb It would ruin the sortof relentlessness of it. 95 00:05:15,901 --> 00:05:16,937 [chords playing] 96 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,215 And then this would have been the first two 97 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:21,700 things I'd put down. 98 00:05:21,804 --> 00:05:23,806 Couple of nice chords, D minor. 99 00:05:23,909 --> 00:05:26,464 The saddest cord of all. 100 00:05:26,567 --> 00:05:29,639 C. B flat. 101 00:05:29,743 --> 00:05:34,299 Back to C. Piece of cake, really. 102 00:05:34,403 --> 00:05:37,198 [SINGING] Well I remember. 103 00:05:37,302 --> 00:05:42,031 I remember, don't worry. 104 00:05:42,134 --> 00:05:44,482 How could I ever forget? 105 00:05:44,585 --> 00:05:51,937 It's the first time, the last time we ever met. 106 00:05:52,041 --> 00:05:54,043 I hadn't really set out to be famous. 107 00:05:54,146 --> 00:05:58,392 I hadn't really set out tomake a record of any type. 108 00:05:58,496 --> 00:05:59,428 You know. 109 00:05:59,531 --> 00:06:03,052 I'd just done a few things in my room. 110 00:06:03,155 --> 00:06:04,536 I painted a few pictures in my room, 111 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,124 and someone wanted to look at them. 112 00:06:06,227 --> 00:06:08,506 [SINGING] The hurt doesn't show. 113 00:06:08,609 --> 00:06:13,303 The songs were just songsbased on my emotion at the time 114 00:06:13,407 --> 00:06:15,789 [drums] 115 00:06:15,892 --> 00:06:21,726 [SINGING] I could waiting forthis moment for all my life, 116 00:06:21,829 --> 00:06:31,114 oh Lord, I can feel it, yeah. 117 00:06:31,218 --> 00:06:36,568 I can feel it, yeah. 118 00:06:36,672 --> 00:06:40,469 I can feel it coming in the air tonight. 119 00:06:55,967 --> 00:07:03,837 Been waiting for this momentfor all my life, my life. 120 00:07:03,940 --> 00:07:04,734 Oh! 121 00:07:07,427 --> 00:07:09,877 I was cutting the album in America, 122 00:07:09,981 --> 00:07:13,053 and this legendary figureof Ahmet Ertegun who started 123 00:07:13,156 --> 00:07:14,848 the company in the Atlantic Music 124 00:07:14,951 --> 00:07:17,713 came to the cutting sessionin New York and he said-- 125 00:07:17,816 --> 00:07:20,923 he literally, he just faced it up and said, 126 00:07:21,026 --> 00:07:24,513 this sounds great, man. 127 00:07:24,616 --> 00:07:28,655 I had a cut of that, of in the air tonight. 128 00:07:28,758 --> 00:07:31,934 And whenever anybody brought me, that people 129 00:07:32,037 --> 00:07:36,421 would come in and bringme, as they do all the time 130 00:07:36,525 --> 00:07:38,527 demo records of a group. 131 00:07:38,630 --> 00:07:41,426 They would play me what they thought was a hit. 132 00:07:41,530 --> 00:07:45,119 I would say listen, that soundsvery good, but listen to this. 133 00:07:45,223 --> 00:07:47,674 And I put that on, and they would say, 134 00:07:47,777 --> 00:07:48,847 my God, what is that? 135 00:07:48,951 --> 00:07:50,642 That is fantastic. 136 00:07:50,746 --> 00:07:53,024 I said, it's got to be close to-- 137 00:07:53,127 --> 00:07:54,715 you won't get as good as this, but you've 138 00:07:54,819 --> 00:07:58,374 got to be close to it if youwant to have a hit record. 139 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:00,514 From my-- one of my heroes to say that, 140 00:08:00,618 --> 00:08:03,483 gave me a lot of confidenceto what I'd been doing. 141 00:08:03,586 --> 00:08:05,277 Which I was still needing. 142 00:08:05,381 --> 00:08:07,556 And we went from there. 143 00:08:12,664 --> 00:08:13,527 All right, Phil Collins here. 144 00:08:13,631 --> 00:08:15,840 Who's that? RADIO: Phil Collins? 145 00:08:15,943 --> 00:08:17,186 Wow. 146 00:08:17,289 --> 00:08:19,050 I just wanted to know, we all know how you made 147 00:08:19,153 --> 00:08:20,361 your solo album and everything. 148 00:08:20,465 --> 00:08:22,467 We want to know like what effects 149 00:08:22,571 --> 00:08:23,779 does that have on Genesis? 150 00:08:27,403 --> 00:08:28,991 PHIL COLLINS: Before Istarted singing with Genesis 151 00:08:29,094 --> 00:08:30,648 I really didn't care about lyrics. 152 00:08:30,751 --> 00:08:34,652 It was the sound of the voice,and the melody it was singing, 153 00:08:34,755 --> 00:08:36,930 and the groove of the tune. 154 00:08:37,033 --> 00:08:38,345 And then I started to sing and I realized 155 00:08:38,448 --> 00:08:39,760 that the voice is the thing that actually 156 00:08:39,864 --> 00:08:41,175 communicates to people. 157 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:42,452 [MUSIC - GENISIS, "BEHIND THE LINES"] 158 00:08:42,556 --> 00:08:45,041 [SINGING] I held the bookso tightly in my hand. 159 00:08:45,145 --> 00:08:48,873 I saw your picture, heard you call my name. 160 00:08:51,876 --> 00:08:54,430 There was something strange-- 161 00:08:54,534 --> 00:08:57,916 Pre-Genisis I felt like I wasplaying a part, sometimes, 162 00:08:58,020 --> 00:08:59,262 rather than being me. 163 00:08:59,366 --> 00:09:01,748 You know even when I was singing my lyrics, 164 00:09:01,851 --> 00:09:04,026 I felt that it wasn't really me. 165 00:09:04,129 --> 00:09:09,721 [SINGING] You gave me no reason,and you gave me no warning, 166 00:09:09,825 --> 00:09:13,553 but I was with you right by your side. 167 00:09:13,656 --> 00:09:15,658 He was the original the drummer of the band, 168 00:09:15,762 --> 00:09:17,729 and that was what he originallywas chosen for an everything. 169 00:09:17,833 --> 00:09:19,110 But we always knew he had a nice voice, 170 00:09:19,213 --> 00:09:20,939 and then obviously he tookover when Peter Gabriel 171 00:09:21,043 --> 00:09:22,872 left doing the lead vocals. 172 00:09:22,976 --> 00:09:24,184 And I think he developed as a singer. 173 00:09:24,287 --> 00:09:27,256 And obviously I think thefact the first album came out 174 00:09:27,359 --> 00:09:31,640 so well makes you realizeyou always had in his mind 175 00:09:31,743 --> 00:09:33,020 an idea of how things should be. 176 00:09:33,124 --> 00:09:34,332 And for the first time I could do it 177 00:09:34,435 --> 00:09:37,162 exactly how he wanted to do it. 178 00:09:37,266 --> 00:09:39,579 And it came out great, sohe's always had this sort of-- 179 00:09:39,682 --> 00:09:40,787 there's always a very good arranger, 180 00:09:40,890 --> 00:09:43,513 I think, in Phil's head. 181 00:09:43,617 --> 00:09:45,412 One day we'd finished the backing track 182 00:09:45,515 --> 00:09:48,795 of "Behind the Lines," and wewanted to clean some tracks up, 183 00:09:48,898 --> 00:09:52,005 stuff we didn't need anymoreso we could do some vocals. 184 00:09:52,108 --> 00:09:56,699 And we ran the tape at doublespeed just to short of-- 185 00:09:56,803 --> 00:09:57,942 time was money. 186 00:09:58,045 --> 00:10:00,807 And then suddenly this othersong appeared, you know, 187 00:10:00,910 --> 00:10:03,119 and sometimes-- it's likethat with the Beatles records. 188 00:10:03,223 --> 00:10:05,639 Put one double speed,sometimes something else, 189 00:10:05,743 --> 00:10:07,607 you hear something else. 190 00:10:07,710 --> 00:10:09,954 [music going fast] 191 00:10:23,381 --> 00:10:25,970 We played it back at a high speed, 192 00:10:26,073 --> 00:10:27,627 and it sounded very like sort of a Michael, 193 00:10:27,730 --> 00:10:30,353 Jackson kind of funky track, andwe all kind of got off on it. 194 00:10:33,460 --> 00:10:35,945 Obviously that stayed in his mind, 195 00:10:36,049 --> 00:10:37,706 and he sort of drew from that. 196 00:10:46,059 --> 00:10:47,336 It sounds a little over hip, now. 197 00:10:47,439 --> 00:10:51,098 But it's actually, at the time, it was-- 198 00:10:51,202 --> 00:10:53,031 [SINGING] I held the bookso tightly in my hand, 199 00:10:53,135 --> 00:10:55,862 I saw your picture, heard you call my name. 200 00:11:00,107 --> 00:11:03,317 Basically I wanted to do the track just for this. 201 00:11:03,421 --> 00:11:04,594 Just for the horns, really. 202 00:11:04,698 --> 00:11:07,839 Just those-- they just have that. 203 00:11:07,943 --> 00:11:12,672 [SINGING] You gave me no reason,and you gave me no warning, 204 00:11:12,775 --> 00:11:17,607 but I was with you, right by your side. 205 00:11:17,711 --> 00:11:21,542 Just give me the strength,so I can help you. 206 00:11:21,646 --> 00:11:25,926 And I can be stronger if you don't frighten me. 207 00:11:29,516 --> 00:11:33,313 [inaudible] not something I felt before, 208 00:11:33,416 --> 00:11:38,283 but I [inaudible] I wonder why. 209 00:11:38,387 --> 00:11:41,735 HUGH PEDGHAM: People didn'thave black horn sections 210 00:11:41,839 --> 00:11:44,220 on their songs in those days. 211 00:11:44,324 --> 00:11:49,605 It sounds crazy to say thatnow, but American radio wouldn't 212 00:11:49,709 --> 00:11:51,572 play some of Phil's songs to start with, 213 00:11:51,676 --> 00:11:56,094 because the white guywith a black horn section, 214 00:11:56,198 --> 00:11:58,131 that's not right, you know. 215 00:11:58,234 --> 00:11:59,546 That should be RandB music. 216 00:11:59,649 --> 00:12:00,616 Everybody should black. 217 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,169 You know, everybody should be white. 218 00:12:02,273 --> 00:12:05,103 And it's amazing that only20 years ago attitudes 219 00:12:05,207 --> 00:12:09,004 like that still existed. 220 00:12:09,107 --> 00:12:11,834 We didn't know who PhilCollins was as far as the horn 221 00:12:11,938 --> 00:12:14,319 section was concerned, at all. 222 00:12:14,423 --> 00:12:15,976 There was some inference that he played 223 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,358 with a group called Genesis, which didn't 224 00:12:18,461 --> 00:12:19,808 mean anything to us, neither. 225 00:12:19,911 --> 00:12:21,188 We didn't know. 226 00:12:21,292 --> 00:12:25,089 We didn't know anything abouthim at that particular time. 227 00:12:25,192 --> 00:12:28,886 He wanted a certain sound, hewanted that particular sound, 228 00:12:28,989 --> 00:12:31,336 and he would get those players. 229 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,442 And that's how we evolved around it. 230 00:12:33,545 --> 00:12:36,928 And so Phil would always give ussome challenging things to do, 231 00:12:37,032 --> 00:12:39,897 and he would leave me the ability 232 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,107 to write at my own discretion, and there 233 00:12:43,210 --> 00:12:45,143 were certain things that he favored 234 00:12:45,247 --> 00:12:46,627 that he would like to hear. 235 00:12:46,731 --> 00:12:50,839 So he has an ear, also, forwhat thing you should do. 236 00:12:50,942 --> 00:12:52,772 [horn playing] 237 00:12:52,875 --> 00:12:57,190 Trumpets are cool, and the high bit, right? 238 00:12:57,293 --> 00:12:59,606 They turned it around,but it just sounded good. 239 00:12:59,709 --> 00:13:01,953 So as long as it takes, it'll work. 240 00:13:02,057 --> 00:13:04,059 You know [inaudible]. 241 00:13:04,162 --> 00:13:06,337 51 again. 242 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,098 Tom Tom would just say, bar 49. 243 00:13:09,202 --> 00:13:11,066 Bar 49. 244 00:13:11,169 --> 00:13:12,999 And then he just go like this. 245 00:13:13,102 --> 00:13:16,071 It was a very democratic society 246 00:13:16,174 --> 00:13:20,040 in the recording sessions,whether he liked it or not. 247 00:13:20,144 --> 00:13:23,492 And it was like you'd be living on glass. 248 00:13:23,595 --> 00:13:27,220 Especially when you weren'tquite ready to record. 249 00:13:27,323 --> 00:13:30,671 What's happening is our punches are very tight. 250 00:13:30,775 --> 00:13:33,571 The machine is not fast as me. 251 00:13:33,674 --> 00:13:35,228 And neither is you. 252 00:13:35,331 --> 00:13:37,057 Hey. 253 00:13:37,161 --> 00:13:38,334 PRODUCER: And then you'd say something 254 00:13:38,438 --> 00:13:40,371 like, well, I'm not really ready yet, 255 00:13:40,474 --> 00:13:42,891 and he'd go into this sort of long thing. 256 00:13:42,994 --> 00:13:48,620 Now you tell me why you werenot able to record or something, 257 00:13:48,724 --> 00:13:49,863 you know. 258 00:13:49,967 --> 00:13:52,832 And then go off about buyingsugar in the supermarket 259 00:13:52,935 --> 00:13:54,143 or something. 260 00:13:54,247 --> 00:13:55,351 It was like, where? 261 00:13:55,455 --> 00:13:58,768 You didn't know what was his-- 262 00:13:58,872 --> 00:13:59,700 Say Don! 263 00:14:05,499 --> 00:14:08,330 AHMET ERTEGUN: Face value is a record which 264 00:14:08,433 --> 00:14:11,712 has a lot of black influence. 265 00:14:11,816 --> 00:14:13,611 And that's also one of the things that 266 00:14:13,714 --> 00:14:17,477 made it an international hit. 267 00:14:17,580 --> 00:14:21,791 His feelings and his soul are expressed 268 00:14:21,895 --> 00:14:26,935 in terms very much influencedby black American music. 269 00:14:27,038 --> 00:14:29,834 [SINGING] It was strange,I could not look away. 270 00:14:29,938 --> 00:14:34,666 I wanted to be there, I wanted to go. 271 00:14:34,770 --> 00:14:39,016 You gave me no reason, andyou gave me no warning. 272 00:14:39,119 --> 00:14:43,572 TONY SMITH: For the firsttime he was making the record 273 00:14:43,675 --> 00:14:45,332 that he wanted to make, and no one 274 00:14:45,436 --> 00:14:47,990 else had any influence on it. 275 00:14:48,094 --> 00:14:50,579 And for him it was avery exciting experience. 276 00:14:50,682 --> 00:14:54,031 Suddenly he had all these toys to play with. 277 00:14:54,134 --> 00:14:57,137 Bringing the Phoenix Horns and suddenly 278 00:14:57,241 --> 00:15:00,485 he could he could think in termsof, let's have a horn section. 279 00:15:00,589 --> 00:15:01,762 Which had always been an area that he'd 280 00:15:01,866 --> 00:15:03,247 been cut off to before. 281 00:15:07,389 --> 00:15:12,256 Na na na na na na na na na. 282 00:15:12,359 --> 00:15:15,224 Na na na la la la la, hey! 283 00:15:15,328 --> 00:15:23,543 [inaudible] 284 00:15:23,646 --> 00:15:24,716 PHIL COLLINS: The most personal song 285 00:15:24,820 --> 00:15:27,167 of all from this whole batch of songs, 286 00:15:27,271 --> 00:15:30,308 really the most personalsong was "Please Don't Ask." 287 00:15:30,412 --> 00:15:34,278 Which was literally allabout, bar mentioning names, 288 00:15:34,381 --> 00:15:35,210 it was about kids. 289 00:15:35,313 --> 00:15:37,177 It was about what was happening. 290 00:15:37,281 --> 00:15:42,079 It was about my problems, my situation. 291 00:15:42,182 --> 00:15:44,598 I mean I've never really writtenanything like that since. 292 00:15:44,702 --> 00:15:46,531 [MUSIC - PHIL COLLINS, "PLEASE DON'T ASK"] 293 00:15:46,635 --> 00:15:54,436 [SINGING] I can remember whenit was easy to say I love you. 294 00:15:57,473 --> 00:16:00,304 But things have changed since then. 295 00:16:00,407 --> 00:16:04,998 Now I really can't say if I still do. 296 00:16:08,553 --> 00:16:11,936 Oh, but I can try. 297 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,354 'Cos I know that the kids are well, 298 00:16:16,458 --> 00:16:25,191 'cos you're a mother to theworld, but I miss my boy. 299 00:16:28,297 --> 00:16:31,645 I hope he's good as gold. 300 00:16:35,235 --> 00:16:38,273 But enough of me. 301 00:16:38,376 --> 00:16:40,275 How are you? 302 00:16:40,378 --> 00:16:41,724 You look good. 303 00:16:44,865 --> 00:16:50,561 Oh, you lost some weight,and see your hair looks nice. 304 00:16:50,664 --> 00:16:53,874 You look good. 305 00:16:53,978 --> 00:16:54,772 Ooh. 306 00:16:58,155 --> 00:17:00,019 Maybe we should try. 307 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:08,544 Don't say it, I know why. 308 00:17:08,648 --> 00:17:16,311 Oh I can remember when itwas easy to say I love you. 309 00:17:20,832 --> 00:17:22,317 So on. 310 00:17:22,420 --> 00:17:24,215 Actually it's the kind of song you could 311 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:26,010 do differently, now that-- 312 00:17:26,114 --> 00:17:27,667 you could do it as a ballad, now, 313 00:17:27,770 --> 00:17:30,394 as opposed to something else. 314 00:17:33,293 --> 00:17:36,641 But that's that stuff I don'tsay, I know why, you know? 315 00:17:36,745 --> 00:17:37,539 Those lyrics. 316 00:17:37,642 --> 00:17:39,127 I forgot about bit. 317 00:17:39,230 --> 00:17:40,818 But maybe we should try. 318 00:17:40,921 --> 00:17:42,440 Don't t tell me, I know why. 319 00:17:42,544 --> 00:17:44,891 It is a conversation, really. 320 00:17:44,994 --> 00:17:46,582 But that's the way a lot ofthese songs were written, 321 00:17:46,686 --> 00:17:47,997 you know. 322 00:17:48,101 --> 00:17:53,693 They were written because thecommunication was at a low. 323 00:17:53,796 --> 00:17:58,698 So they were written as letters, messages, 324 00:17:58,801 --> 00:18:00,976 phone calls that had the phone not going down 325 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,702 might have occurred, and things like that. 326 00:18:05,325 --> 00:18:06,085 Those were the days. 327 00:18:09,674 --> 00:18:12,021 [MUSIC - PHIL COLLINS, "I MISSED AGAIN"] 328 00:18:18,545 --> 00:18:25,173 [SINGING] So you finally cameright out and said it, girl. 329 00:18:25,276 --> 00:18:29,625 What took you so long? 330 00:18:29,729 --> 00:18:37,357 It was in your eyes, that look'sbeen there for far too long. 331 00:18:37,461 --> 00:18:40,843 I haven't got a band.You see, I didn't have a band. 332 00:18:40,947 --> 00:18:41,741 So we could do a video. 333 00:18:41,844 --> 00:18:43,432 OK, well, I'll play everything. 334 00:18:43,536 --> 00:18:44,744 I'll pretend to play everything. 335 00:18:44,847 --> 00:18:47,229 So then you get into the guitar, saxophone. 336 00:18:47,333 --> 00:18:48,575 I mean it was great fun to do. 337 00:18:48,679 --> 00:18:49,887 Every character had a different look. 338 00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:53,925 And you get kind of the mannerisms 339 00:18:54,029 --> 00:18:56,549 of saxophone players, and the trumpet players. 340 00:18:56,652 --> 00:19:01,105 The look, you know the shadesin the hat of a trumpet player. 341 00:19:01,209 --> 00:19:02,313 You just had fun with it. 342 00:19:02,417 --> 00:19:04,867 You know I mean, that'sthe most important thing. 343 00:19:04,971 --> 00:19:13,082 [SINGING] I try to forget, andyet still run to the telephone. 344 00:19:13,186 --> 00:19:23,023 [DISTORTED] I'm on theline, would you [inaudible] 345 00:19:23,127 --> 00:19:24,508 I missed you babe. 346 00:19:24,611 --> 00:19:25,543 I really do. 347 00:19:25,647 --> 00:19:27,269 Oh, OK. 348 00:19:27,373 --> 00:19:31,239 So the working-- this was Imiss you, babe, I really do. 349 00:19:31,342 --> 00:19:33,620 So this was obviously an early vocals. 350 00:19:33,724 --> 00:19:34,518 Early, early lyrics. 351 00:19:37,969 --> 00:19:43,112 It's funny seeing half yourlife go before your eyes. 352 00:19:43,216 --> 00:19:46,461 But, yeah. 353 00:19:46,564 --> 00:19:51,086 Obviously sort of change from being-- 354 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:53,744 of course you can sing I'll miss you, babe. 355 00:19:53,847 --> 00:19:56,125 Better than it sounds, I miss you, babe. 356 00:19:56,229 --> 00:19:57,541 It doesn't sound very nice when it's said. 357 00:19:57,644 --> 00:20:00,923 But I mean it went from thatkind of quite a sad lyric, 358 00:20:01,027 --> 00:20:03,098 I suppose, to sort of much more ironic, 359 00:20:03,202 --> 00:20:05,238 which was I missed again. 360 00:20:05,342 --> 00:20:06,308 It was like I missed again. 361 00:20:06,412 --> 00:20:07,206 Yeah. 362 00:20:07,309 --> 00:20:10,036 Which is funnier. 363 00:20:10,139 --> 00:20:12,141 I felt more comfortable with that, obviously. 364 00:20:12,245 --> 00:20:14,799 But the tempo is obviouslythe main thing that changed. 365 00:20:14,903 --> 00:20:22,842 It became this Motown, theclassic Motown drum fill. 366 00:20:22,945 --> 00:20:25,293 [drums] 367 00:20:32,955 --> 00:20:35,786 [SINGING] Ba-dum, brum-ba-ba. 368 00:20:35,889 --> 00:20:39,686 Bap ba dap bup. 369 00:20:39,790 --> 00:20:45,934 So you finally came rightout and said it, girl. 370 00:20:46,037 --> 00:20:48,350 What took you so long? 371 00:20:48,454 --> 00:20:50,041 It's not so much hurt, now. 372 00:20:50,145 --> 00:20:55,150 It's more anger in the lyric. 373 00:20:55,254 --> 00:21:06,161 But-- Some people, like Shankar for example, 374 00:21:06,265 --> 00:21:09,164 I didn't really know what kind of role 375 00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:12,305 he could have in the album,I just liked what he did. 376 00:21:12,409 --> 00:21:14,894 I liked him as a person andjust wanted him on the record. 377 00:21:14,997 --> 00:21:17,206 I just wanted him to be part of this experience. 378 00:21:17,310 --> 00:21:19,933 When he came up at his first solo record, 379 00:21:20,037 --> 00:21:22,902 people weren't sure what kindof record it was going to be. 380 00:21:23,005 --> 00:21:24,904 At that time they weren't sure. 381 00:21:25,007 --> 00:21:28,079 They thought maybe it isgoing to be like a fusion 382 00:21:28,183 --> 00:21:29,978 record, jazz rockrecord, instrumental kind 383 00:21:30,081 --> 00:21:31,186 of record or something else. 384 00:21:31,290 --> 00:21:33,292 And in a way it's kind of good, because it 385 00:21:33,395 --> 00:21:35,604 gives him more freedom. 386 00:21:35,708 --> 00:21:38,952 He's an Indian musician, obviously 387 00:21:39,056 --> 00:21:45,200 can play in that world asone of the finest violinists. 388 00:21:45,304 --> 00:21:49,446 And here I was giving hima four chord song to play. 389 00:21:49,549 --> 00:21:52,034 Dink dink dink dink dink dink dink dink dink. 390 00:21:52,138 --> 00:21:53,657 You know it's underplaying the guy, 391 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,281 but he wanted to be part ofthis experience, too, so. 392 00:21:57,385 --> 00:21:58,834 Sometimes you get people for specific jobs, 393 00:21:58,938 --> 00:22:00,180 and other times you just say sort of say, 394 00:22:00,284 --> 00:22:01,906 I'd like you to do something. 395 00:22:02,010 --> 00:22:04,288 Can you find a hole for yourself? 396 00:22:04,392 --> 00:22:06,670 [bass playing] 397 00:22:12,745 --> 00:22:14,022 Alphonso Johnson. 398 00:22:14,125 --> 00:22:17,474 Alphonso Johnson was one ofmy heroes from Weather Report. 399 00:22:20,822 --> 00:22:23,687 It's almost like alittle sentence, you know? 400 00:22:23,790 --> 00:22:26,655 It like the beginning of a sentence. 401 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:29,417 And it's kind of like theafter thought of the reply. 402 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,247 [bass playing] 403 00:22:36,493 --> 00:22:37,286 This track. 404 00:22:40,013 --> 00:22:42,913 It had that real just Earth,Wind and Fire quality to it, 405 00:22:43,016 --> 00:22:43,810 you know? 406 00:22:43,914 --> 00:22:45,087 It really did. 407 00:22:45,191 --> 00:22:49,747 But yet Phil somehow managedto kind of put his own-- 408 00:22:49,851 --> 00:22:54,234 because of his vocal sound, itdefinitely had his stamp on it, 409 00:22:54,338 --> 00:22:55,374 you know. 410 00:22:55,477 --> 00:23:00,620 [SINGING] I think about it from time to time, 411 00:23:00,724 --> 00:23:04,728 when I'm lonely, and I'm alone. 412 00:23:04,831 --> 00:23:07,075 PHIL COLLINS: I used tohave these outrageous Earth, 413 00:23:07,178 --> 00:23:08,766 Wind and Fire type suits. 414 00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:12,494 And considering I was pretty boring to watch, 415 00:23:12,598 --> 00:23:14,669 I mean I just sort of stood there and sung. 416 00:23:14,772 --> 00:23:18,258 I was still finding myfeet really as a performer. 417 00:23:18,362 --> 00:23:21,607 They added an amazingpresence to the stage show. 418 00:23:21,710 --> 00:23:24,057 Because it gave people something else to watch. 419 00:23:24,161 --> 00:23:25,542 [SINGING] I missed again. 420 00:23:25,645 --> 00:23:29,960 I think I missed again, ah-ah. 421 00:23:30,063 --> 00:23:34,343 Yes, I missed again, oh, yeah. 422 00:23:34,447 --> 00:23:36,829 I think I missed again. 423 00:23:36,932 --> 00:23:39,728 It was the first sort of proper album that 424 00:23:39,832 --> 00:23:42,041 I'd co-produced with somebody. 425 00:23:42,144 --> 00:23:43,905 So I didn't have anythingto measure it by, 426 00:23:44,008 --> 00:23:48,841 I just remember I was 26 orsomething, and going to LA, 427 00:23:48,944 --> 00:23:49,911 and-- 428 00:23:50,014 --> 00:23:51,913 you don't feel at any time that you're 429 00:23:52,016 --> 00:23:55,813 making incredible recordsthat would be remembered 430 00:23:55,917 --> 00:23:57,159 20 years later, or whatever. 431 00:23:57,263 --> 00:24:02,061 But both Phil and I had thisfeeling of loving to listen 432 00:24:02,164 --> 00:24:03,890 to music that had space in it. 433 00:24:07,584 --> 00:24:12,830 We tried very hard to notput too many instruments 434 00:24:12,934 --> 00:24:14,245 onto the record. 435 00:24:14,349 --> 00:24:16,627 [MUSIC - PHIL COLLINS, "THE ROOF IS LEAKING"] 436 00:24:16,731 --> 00:24:19,043 PHIL COLLINS: [SINGING] The roof is leaking 437 00:24:19,147 --> 00:24:22,944 and the wind is howling. 438 00:24:23,047 --> 00:24:28,570 Kids are crying 'cause the sheets are so cold. 439 00:24:28,674 --> 00:24:33,644 Woke this morning, found my hands were frozen. 440 00:24:33,748 --> 00:24:36,095 I've tried to fix the fire, but you 441 00:24:36,198 --> 00:24:40,340 know the dang thing's too old. 442 00:24:40,444 --> 00:24:45,311 It was always going tobe a song about the South 443 00:24:45,414 --> 00:24:49,626 and frontiersmen, and guysthat sort of out in the middle 444 00:24:49,729 --> 00:24:52,387 of nowhere, little shack. 445 00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:55,010 When winter comes you'rethere for months, you know. 446 00:24:55,114 --> 00:24:58,255 And the wife gets pregnant,and she has her own baby, 447 00:24:58,358 --> 00:25:01,327 and you give a hand, and someonefrom next door 30 miles down 448 00:25:01,430 --> 00:25:03,640 the road comes and gives you a hand. 449 00:25:03,743 --> 00:25:09,300 [SINGING] And me, I'm gettingstronger by the minute. 450 00:25:09,404 --> 00:25:15,686 My wife's expecting, but Ihope she can wait, 'cause 451 00:25:15,790 --> 00:25:20,139 this winter looks like it'sgonna be another bad one, 452 00:25:20,242 --> 00:25:22,624 but spring will soon be here. 453 00:25:26,732 --> 00:25:29,597 God I hope it's not late. 454 00:25:38,709 --> 00:25:41,263 It kind of stuck out a little bit on the album 455 00:25:41,367 --> 00:25:45,336 because it was a story song,because the rest were about me. 456 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,857 But the sadness and maybe thesolitary feeling of the thing 457 00:25:48,961 --> 00:25:52,551 was probably something thatseeped in from the other songs. 458 00:25:56,865 --> 00:25:59,730 I guess I always figured that with Eric-- 459 00:25:59,834 --> 00:26:02,561 Clapton was going to play slide guitar. 460 00:26:02,664 --> 00:26:05,529 So we'd just do it as a live thing. 461 00:26:05,633 --> 00:26:07,773 And in fact we did try with Clapton. 462 00:26:11,604 --> 00:26:15,263 You know in those days we all enjoyed a drink. 463 00:26:15,366 --> 00:26:17,714 And we enjoyed a drink that night. 464 00:26:17,817 --> 00:26:19,474 In fact he enjoyed a drink before he came, 465 00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:22,097 and then he enjoyed a drink with me. 466 00:26:22,201 --> 00:26:23,789 But I put Eric through hell with this. 467 00:26:23,892 --> 00:26:28,207 And actually listening to it,you probably got it closer 468 00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:30,623 than I thought at the time. 469 00:26:30,727 --> 00:26:33,039 [inaudible] 470 00:26:38,976 --> 00:26:45,604 See what I was after wassomething kind of precise. 471 00:26:45,707 --> 00:26:48,020 And just listening to, this isthe first time I've heard this 472 00:26:48,123 --> 00:26:51,264 since the session 21 years ago. 473 00:26:51,368 --> 00:26:53,163 He actually was playing what should 474 00:26:53,266 --> 00:26:54,198 have been played, really. 475 00:26:54,302 --> 00:26:55,372 I mean the sound of the doubront, 476 00:26:55,475 --> 00:26:58,686 you know that scratch, it's much more funky. 477 00:26:58,789 --> 00:27:04,105 [SINGING] It's been months nowsince we heard from our Mary. 478 00:27:04,208 --> 00:27:09,041 I wonder if she ever made the coast. 479 00:27:09,144 --> 00:27:14,494 Well she and her young man,they both moved out there. 480 00:27:14,598 --> 00:27:21,881 I sure hope they write, just to let us know. 481 00:27:21,985 --> 00:27:22,951 It's much blusier. 482 00:27:23,055 --> 00:27:23,952 TONY BANKS: Yeah. 483 00:27:24,056 --> 00:27:26,714 Here's what ended up on the record. 484 00:27:26,817 --> 00:27:30,027 [SINGING] Ma and Pa livedhere, and theirs before them. 485 00:27:30,131 --> 00:27:35,792 They tried their hardest to make it a home. 486 00:27:35,895 --> 00:27:36,965 Seems so long now-- 487 00:27:37,069 --> 00:27:38,795 It was that kind of song,I just felt you should 488 00:27:38,898 --> 00:27:40,451 have been done in one go. 489 00:27:40,555 --> 00:27:42,453 Which is kind of the spontaneity. 490 00:27:42,557 --> 00:27:44,145 Of because I didn't get to in one go 491 00:27:44,248 --> 00:27:46,388 I went for something else which ended up 492 00:27:46,492 --> 00:27:49,115 being a little bit too perfect. 493 00:27:49,219 --> 00:27:51,014 [SINGING] But the roof is leaking, 494 00:27:51,117 --> 00:27:53,982 and the wind is howling. 495 00:27:54,086 --> 00:27:58,884 The kids are crying 'causethe sheets are so cold. 496 00:27:58,987 --> 00:28:03,336 When I woke this morningfound my hands were frozen. 497 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:10,689 I tried to fix the fire but youknow, the dang thing's too old. 498 00:28:10,792 --> 00:28:14,693 And me, oh, I'm getting stronger by the minute. 499 00:28:14,796 --> 00:28:16,073 TONY BANKS: When I listen to Phil's album 500 00:28:16,177 --> 00:28:18,558 again what strikes me is that there's 501 00:28:18,662 --> 00:28:22,114 all these different varietiesof music on this one record. 502 00:28:22,217 --> 00:28:25,531 It has sounds similar to theBeatles and Weather Report, 503 00:28:25,634 --> 00:28:28,465 Motown music, a bit of Genisis style. 504 00:28:28,568 --> 00:28:32,780 Which I think is almost nextto impossible to do today. 505 00:28:32,883 --> 00:28:36,197 I think if you were to presentto a record company this album, 506 00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:37,854 say here I'm thinking about doing this, 507 00:28:37,957 --> 00:28:40,063 could you sign me for this album. 508 00:28:40,166 --> 00:28:41,305 I think they wouldn't. 509 00:28:41,409 --> 00:28:45,482 I think even if Phil waspresenting this album today 510 00:28:45,585 --> 00:28:46,932 they'd go, well, you know that's not 511 00:28:47,035 --> 00:28:48,899 really what we're looking for. 512 00:28:49,003 --> 00:28:50,729 [SINGING] De-ayo! 513 00:28:50,832 --> 00:28:53,524 De-ayo! 514 00:28:53,628 --> 00:28:54,802 De-ayo! 515 00:28:54,905 --> 00:28:56,182 TOM TOM WASHINGTON: At thetime we worked with Phil, 516 00:28:56,286 --> 00:28:57,701 we didn't care anything about record sales. 517 00:28:57,805 --> 00:29:01,153 So when we got together wealways played the music which 518 00:29:01,256 --> 00:29:04,225 we enjoyed, and we neverthought that it was going 519 00:29:04,328 --> 00:29:06,365 to be as successful as it was. 520 00:29:11,508 --> 00:29:13,234 PHIL COLLINS: The way the song starts 521 00:29:13,337 --> 00:29:15,995 it's like a call and response. 522 00:29:16,099 --> 00:29:19,447 Village coming to life,waking up and going to work. 523 00:29:19,550 --> 00:29:22,553 And so that's the way that song starts to me 524 00:29:22,657 --> 00:29:23,623 is kind of like that. 525 00:29:23,727 --> 00:29:25,384 We kind of used to exaggerate it more live. 526 00:29:25,487 --> 00:29:26,316 De-ayo! 527 00:29:26,419 --> 00:29:27,869 De-ayo! 528 00:29:27,973 --> 00:29:29,629 De-ayo! 529 00:29:29,733 --> 00:29:32,011 You know, as if people were waking up, 530 00:29:32,115 --> 00:29:33,426 and it was like a Disney cartoon. 531 00:29:33,530 --> 00:29:35,670 You can imagine the birds rustling 532 00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:37,430 their feathers and things. 533 00:29:37,534 --> 00:29:40,502 [SINGING] De-ayo! 534 00:29:40,606 --> 00:29:41,400 De-ayo! 535 00:29:54,965 --> 00:29:59,176 The main track that I didat home was based on this. 536 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,661 [rhythm playing] 537 00:30:03,767 --> 00:30:08,082 Boum, boum boum boum. 538 00:30:08,185 --> 00:30:13,535 Boum boum, boum boum boum. 539 00:30:13,639 --> 00:30:24,339 Boum, boum boum boum, baum boum boum boum. 540 00:30:24,443 --> 00:30:31,691 Boum boum boum boum boum boum boum baum. 541 00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:41,909 All those fills, Tom Tom arranged the horns. 542 00:30:42,012 --> 00:30:45,913 He had notated certainthings with dots and dashes. 543 00:30:46,016 --> 00:30:48,329 Looks sort of like the Morse code to me. 544 00:30:48,432 --> 00:30:52,091 And as the music played he wouldpoint to the dot or the dash, 545 00:30:52,195 --> 00:30:54,197 and I would look at him and say, yeah, man. 546 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:56,302 I didn't know what this meant. 547 00:30:56,406 --> 00:31:00,859 But he would point to thisand say, dat dat dat da dat, 548 00:31:00,962 --> 00:31:02,274 you know. 549 00:31:02,377 --> 00:31:05,449 And whatever that meant, this iswhere he predated Max Headroom. 550 00:31:05,553 --> 00:31:07,693 Now what was so interesting about it, 551 00:31:07,796 --> 00:31:11,731 he was able to sing phoneticallywhat he meant by the dots 552 00:31:11,835 --> 00:31:12,974 and dashes. 553 00:31:13,078 --> 00:31:15,011 If it's a ba-dum. 554 00:31:15,114 --> 00:31:17,703 I have to write a line, bash. 555 00:31:17,806 --> 00:31:18,773 So I probably did that for him. 556 00:31:18,877 --> 00:31:20,050 It was a da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da, 557 00:31:20,154 --> 00:31:21,362 da-da-da-da dun-da-da-dup! 558 00:31:21,465 --> 00:31:22,777 TOM TOM WASHINGTON: By him being a drummer, 559 00:31:22,881 --> 00:31:24,744 maybe this was some kind of way he 560 00:31:24,848 --> 00:31:26,815 notated the best way he could. 561 00:31:26,919 --> 00:31:28,093 The first couple of times, I don't 562 00:31:28,196 --> 00:31:31,544 know whether he really noticed,I thought he was crazy. 563 00:31:31,648 --> 00:31:33,374 Whoever heard of this? 564 00:31:33,477 --> 00:31:36,929 But the money was so well paidthat I said, man, this great. 565 00:31:37,033 --> 00:31:37,930 Makes a lot of sense to me. 566 00:31:38,034 --> 00:31:40,415 [MUSIC - PHIL COLLINS, "HAND IN HAND"] 567 00:31:56,017 --> 00:31:58,088 DARYL STUERMER: I remember whenthe horn section all came in, 568 00:31:58,192 --> 00:32:00,746 and they were all laughingand having a great time, 569 00:32:00,849 --> 00:32:03,714 and we were doing "In The AirTonight" and songs like this. 570 00:32:03,818 --> 00:32:05,613 And then these guys came in laughing, 571 00:32:05,716 --> 00:32:08,685 and Lui Lui Satterfield was sitting there. 572 00:32:08,788 --> 00:32:12,068 He said, you know Phil, he is this amazing cat. 573 00:32:12,171 --> 00:32:14,001 He says this guy, you walk in, you'll 574 00:32:14,104 --> 00:32:17,590 look at him you think he lookslike a farmer from England. 575 00:32:17,694 --> 00:32:20,421 And then he sits down at adrum, he's hip as anybody else. 576 00:32:20,524 --> 00:32:21,767 And I remember Louis saying that. 577 00:32:21,870 --> 00:32:24,908 And it was making me laugh, because it's sort 578 00:32:25,012 --> 00:32:26,496 of exactly what it looked like. 579 00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:30,017 Here's Phil, very casual, and he looked 580 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,778 like he could be a guy comingin with some tea for you. 581 00:32:32,881 --> 00:32:35,298 TOM TOM WASHINGTON: Nowlet them try to play that. 582 00:32:35,401 --> 00:32:36,540 LUI LUI SATTERFIELD: He had a hand 583 00:32:36,644 --> 00:32:38,611 as a combination of things,which he was good at. 584 00:32:38,715 --> 00:32:39,992 He used to do it all the time. 585 00:32:40,096 --> 00:32:43,513 We would grab things from him,put it together like this. 586 00:32:43,616 --> 00:32:47,413 I mean it would be a couple ofcoaches working hand in hand. 587 00:32:50,416 --> 00:32:52,867 I don't know that was hisidea, put Collins on there, 588 00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:56,215 but this song "Hand in Hand" was one at a huffy 589 00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:58,562 puffy songs for the horns. 590 00:32:58,666 --> 00:33:00,979 [music playing] 591 00:33:05,397 --> 00:33:07,295 That was beautiful, LuiLui, we just don't want it 592 00:33:07,399 --> 00:33:09,090 on this particular record. 593 00:33:09,194 --> 00:33:10,885 [laughter] 594 00:33:10,989 --> 00:33:14,164 It would be great, wouldn't it? 595 00:33:14,268 --> 00:33:18,134 [inaudible] 596 00:33:18,237 --> 00:33:21,896 When that style comes backin, we'll give you a call. 597 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,863 DARYL STUERMER: I don't knowwhat was going on in his head, 598 00:33:23,967 --> 00:33:27,488 but it didn't appear to me thathe was in any particular pain. 599 00:33:27,591 --> 00:33:29,524 I think he was just happy to be there. 600 00:33:29,628 --> 00:33:32,631 But he was also probably a little insecure 601 00:33:32,734 --> 00:33:33,977 about what he's doing here. 602 00:33:34,081 --> 00:33:35,875 Because he doesn't know howthis is going to turn out. 603 00:33:35,979 --> 00:33:37,636 This is very new to him. 604 00:33:37,739 --> 00:33:40,259 And when you were in a bandlike for instance in Genesis. 605 00:33:40,363 --> 00:33:42,123 If you were in Genesis you always 606 00:33:42,227 --> 00:33:46,231 had the other two guys to feedoff of and to run ideas by. 607 00:33:46,334 --> 00:33:48,992 So you don't do anythingwithout their approval, also. 608 00:33:49,096 --> 00:33:50,752 Here it's up to him. 609 00:33:50,856 --> 00:33:56,586 So Phil has got all thisresponsibility laid on him. 610 00:33:56,689 --> 00:33:58,622 But I think he sort of enjoyed that. 611 00:33:58,726 --> 00:34:00,693 The tapes of the concert. 612 00:34:00,797 --> 00:34:03,041 [MUSIC - PHIL COLLINS, "THIS MUST BE LOVE"] 613 00:34:03,144 --> 00:34:10,289 [SINGING] Well I'm waitingevery day just in case 614 00:34:10,393 --> 00:34:13,706 you decide to call. 615 00:34:13,810 --> 00:34:17,262 This must be love is enteringthe next phase of my life. 616 00:34:17,365 --> 00:34:21,335 So it actually isn't thedowner album or the sad album 617 00:34:21,438 --> 00:34:24,269 that a lot of people think it is. 618 00:34:24,372 --> 00:34:27,755 By the time it was actually being record-- 619 00:34:27,858 --> 00:34:30,137 being finished, and certainly by the time 620 00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:34,658 it came out, as I was in another relationship. 621 00:34:34,762 --> 00:34:42,045 So this is kind of a very optimistic song. 622 00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:44,254 I had the chords, obviously the song. 623 00:34:44,358 --> 00:34:46,532 But then Alphonso came up with this-- 624 00:34:46,636 --> 00:34:54,333 de-da-uh, which was a great hook. 625 00:34:54,437 --> 00:34:56,473 He wanted kind of something to thread 626 00:34:56,577 --> 00:34:59,925 through the actual motion of the song. 627 00:35:00,028 --> 00:35:03,549 So he didn't want just a plain RandB baseline. 628 00:35:03,653 --> 00:35:06,207 And yet it couldn't be too complicated. 629 00:35:06,311 --> 00:35:10,349 So just using bare instinct, I started 630 00:35:10,453 --> 00:35:14,905 playing the notes of the chordsand came up with that kind 631 00:35:15,009 --> 00:35:17,149 of loop, which was like a 632 00:35:17,253 --> 00:35:19,600 [playing bass] 633 00:35:29,230 --> 00:35:32,854 Which kind of complements hisvocal melody a little bit, 634 00:35:32,958 --> 00:35:36,617 but not so much that it distracts from it. 635 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:38,274 [SINGING] This must be love. 636 00:35:41,242 --> 00:35:46,316 This must be love I'm feeling. 637 00:35:46,420 --> 00:35:47,386 This must-- 638 00:35:47,490 --> 00:35:50,872 What is good? 639 00:35:50,976 --> 00:35:52,943 Does it reach you, does it touch you? 640 00:35:53,047 --> 00:35:54,738 That's the most important thing. 641 00:35:54,842 --> 00:35:57,327 And I just get bored. 642 00:35:57,431 --> 00:35:59,502 So I don't like workingon things for a long time. 643 00:35:59,605 --> 00:36:04,610 My attention span is kindof limited in terms of let's 644 00:36:04,714 --> 00:36:06,750 do this, and let's move on. 645 00:36:06,854 --> 00:36:10,478 As opposed to, let's do thisuntil we're really sick of it. 646 00:36:10,582 --> 00:36:11,928 But it will be perfect. 647 00:36:12,031 --> 00:36:16,829 [SINGING] This must be love I'm feeling. 648 00:36:16,933 --> 00:36:18,797 This must be love. 649 00:36:22,456 --> 00:36:23,215 Woo. 650 00:36:32,742 --> 00:36:47,929 [music - phil collins, "droned"] 651 00:36:48,033 --> 00:36:50,932 PHIL COLLINS: It was alittle experiment, you know. 652 00:36:51,036 --> 00:36:54,626 It was just a nice idea. 653 00:36:54,729 --> 00:36:57,215 Sort of slightly esotericsort of area of music. 654 00:36:57,318 --> 00:37:01,322 Some of it was Whether Report,some of was even more spacey, 655 00:37:01,426 --> 00:37:05,395 but I just came up with thisrhythm on the black notes. 656 00:37:09,503 --> 00:37:12,713 Phil is amazing, because hehas all the structurally needs, 657 00:37:12,816 --> 00:37:14,508 but at the same time, which a lot of people 658 00:37:14,611 --> 00:37:16,268 might think that's what he does only. 659 00:37:16,372 --> 00:37:18,477 But he's equally comfortable with all 660 00:37:18,581 --> 00:37:20,686 the improvisational stuff,and immediately also he's 661 00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:23,310 able to change if something doesn't work. 662 00:37:23,413 --> 00:37:25,139 MAN: He reminds me of Frank Zappa, really. 663 00:37:30,972 --> 00:37:34,044 Fastest tongue in the west.Or the east. 664 00:37:36,806 --> 00:37:38,670 Daka da, dum dum, daka da dum. 665 00:37:38,773 --> 00:37:41,569 Taka taka taka taka dum, taka da dum. 666 00:37:41,673 --> 00:37:42,639 Daka da dum. 667 00:37:42,743 --> 00:37:45,504 Taka taka taka taka dum, taka da dum. 668 00:37:45,608 --> 00:37:48,438 PHIL COLLINS: Taka dum,dum de dum dum, tata dum-- 669 00:37:48,542 --> 00:37:51,199 I was as the sessions. 670 00:37:51,303 --> 00:37:53,201 I felt I had to do something,so I played congas. 671 00:38:14,188 --> 00:38:17,295 For some reason everythinghas gotten jumbled and puzzled 672 00:38:17,398 --> 00:38:19,952 and mixed up over the years, andI've become known as something 673 00:38:20,056 --> 00:38:22,023 that I'm really not. 674 00:38:22,127 --> 00:38:24,025 A lot of people think of me, I guess it could 675 00:38:24,129 --> 00:38:26,027 be the Genesis connection. 676 00:38:26,131 --> 00:38:29,445 It could be side effects of the Mr. Nice Guy. 677 00:38:29,548 --> 00:38:32,171 It could be the fact that someof the songs that have been 678 00:38:32,275 --> 00:38:35,140 hits have been ballads, and therefore people 679 00:38:35,243 --> 00:38:37,660 look down at sort of ballads as if they're 680 00:38:37,763 --> 00:38:38,661 kind of middle of the road. 681 00:38:38,764 --> 00:38:40,835 And so I don't know. 682 00:38:40,939 --> 00:38:42,043 I don't know why. 683 00:38:42,147 --> 00:38:46,013 I mean I thrive onspontaneous music, you know. 684 00:38:46,116 --> 00:38:50,673 I used to sit with BrandX and just play for days. 685 00:38:50,776 --> 00:38:51,984 Just play for days and days. 686 00:38:52,088 --> 00:38:55,574 And in Genesis, weeverything we write all comes 687 00:38:55,678 --> 00:38:57,818 out of days of improvisation. 688 00:38:57,921 --> 00:39:01,269 It's not like-- it's not music by numbers. 689 00:39:01,373 --> 00:39:06,378 And but just more specificallymy own musical career, 690 00:39:06,482 --> 00:39:08,380 you know I kind of felt that I've been lumbered 691 00:39:08,484 --> 00:39:12,626 with that perfectionist slightly highly polished 692 00:39:12,729 --> 00:39:15,491 last BMW driver kind of image. 693 00:39:15,594 --> 00:39:17,044 [MUSIC - PHIL COLLINS, "TOMORROW NEVER KNOWS"] 694 00:39:17,147 --> 00:39:18,356 [SINGING] It is shining. 695 00:39:22,152 --> 00:39:23,844 Nothing is labored over. 696 00:39:23,947 --> 00:39:26,294 Nothing is labored over. 697 00:39:26,398 --> 00:39:27,813 Especially on my records. 698 00:39:27,917 --> 00:39:33,232 [SINGING] That you maysee the meaning of within. 699 00:39:33,336 --> 00:39:36,063 I included "Tomorrow Never Knows" 700 00:39:36,166 --> 00:39:39,618 because it's always been oneof my favorite Beatles songs. 701 00:39:39,722 --> 00:39:45,175 I mean alongside the realmelodic songs, [inaudible] 702 00:39:45,279 --> 00:39:47,039 and "I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "If I Fell," 703 00:39:47,143 --> 00:39:49,904 "Tomorrow Never Knows" always appealed to me. 704 00:39:50,008 --> 00:39:52,424 The drums are great on it. 705 00:39:52,528 --> 00:39:54,806 And I've always felt thatthere's inside that song-- 706 00:39:54,909 --> 00:39:56,324 the version of that song-- 707 00:39:56,428 --> 00:40:00,743 there was a really strongmelodic song trying to get out. 708 00:40:05,851 --> 00:40:12,099 [SINGING] That love isall, and love is everyone. 709 00:40:12,202 --> 00:40:15,827 And there is trying to beJohn Lennon again, you see. 710 00:40:15,930 --> 00:40:20,245 [SINGING] It is knowing, oh it is knowing. 711 00:40:23,697 --> 00:40:27,183 NEWSCASTER: John Lennon wasbrought to the emergency room 712 00:40:27,286 --> 00:40:30,358 at Roosevelt [inaudible] St.Luke's Roosevelt Hospital 713 00:40:30,462 --> 00:40:35,363 this evening shortly before 11:00 PM. 714 00:40:35,467 --> 00:40:38,505 He was dead on arrival. 715 00:40:38,608 --> 00:40:41,784 PHIL COLLINS: [SINGING] It is believing. 716 00:40:41,887 --> 00:40:44,062 It was an opportunity to pay tribute. 717 00:40:44,165 --> 00:40:45,995 To sort of-- for me anyway. 718 00:40:46,098 --> 00:40:49,481 To play tribute to that kind of pioneering stuff 719 00:40:49,585 --> 00:40:50,378 that they did, really. 720 00:40:53,209 --> 00:40:55,314 So we got everything in there. 721 00:40:55,418 --> 00:40:57,420 Guitars, horns. 722 00:41:01,010 --> 00:41:03,944 What's this? 723 00:41:04,047 --> 00:41:05,428 That's backwards violin. 724 00:41:09,018 --> 00:41:12,331 That is a section two difference. 725 00:41:12,435 --> 00:41:15,749 PHIL COLLINS: That's"Hand in Hand" backwards. 726 00:41:15,852 --> 00:41:18,199 It's slowed down, and backwards. 727 00:41:18,303 --> 00:41:21,444 La La La, La La La La La. 728 00:41:21,548 --> 00:41:23,860 [speeded up music] 729 00:41:30,902 --> 00:41:33,974 I want to assure you that nodrugs were take at this session 730 00:41:34,077 --> 00:41:36,666 whatsoever. 731 00:41:36,770 --> 00:41:41,084 [SINGING] That love isall, and love is everyone. 732 00:41:45,641 --> 00:41:50,922 It is knowing, oh it is knowing. 733 00:41:54,995 --> 00:41:56,790 I did make it quite clear that I 734 00:41:56,893 --> 00:42:01,622 wanted to be involved at everylevel, because this was my-- 735 00:42:01,726 --> 00:42:02,968 you know this is a very personal record. 736 00:42:03,072 --> 00:42:06,938 It was my life, and it was my music, 737 00:42:07,041 --> 00:42:10,838 and I wanted to do all the cover writing. 738 00:42:10,942 --> 00:42:13,910 The label, the bits around it, the outside, 739 00:42:14,014 --> 00:42:17,604 all the legal stuff I wrote,which normally is just printed, 740 00:42:17,707 --> 00:42:18,881 and no one ever reads it, you know. 741 00:42:18,984 --> 00:42:21,677 But I just thought this isthere, I'm going to do it. 742 00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:22,850 This is my life. 743 00:42:22,954 --> 00:42:25,128 This is my thing. 744 00:42:25,232 --> 00:42:26,716 And I chose the photographs. 745 00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:30,064 Chose the press release photos,everything had to go by me. 746 00:42:30,168 --> 00:42:31,341 And still does. 747 00:42:31,445 --> 00:42:33,240 Everything still does with every record. 748 00:42:33,343 --> 00:42:36,864 Because I believe that someoneis going to buy that record, 749 00:42:36,968 --> 00:42:40,558 and I think this is my idea. 750 00:42:40,661 --> 00:42:43,388 The fact that some people thinkall my record have my face 751 00:42:43,491 --> 00:42:44,941 on it is an egotistical thing. 752 00:42:45,045 --> 00:42:47,910 Is I mean you wouldn't put aface like this on the cover, 753 00:42:48,013 --> 00:42:49,808 really, if you wanted tosell a record, would you? 754 00:42:49,912 --> 00:42:51,534 I mean the idea of putting it on the cover 755 00:42:51,638 --> 00:42:56,643 just to try and get asclose as you could to almost 756 00:42:56,746 --> 00:42:58,921 see inside the person's head. 757 00:42:59,024 --> 00:43:02,545 Because this is what was going on inside my head. 758 00:43:02,649 --> 00:43:04,651 SIMON DRAPER: 1980 he wasa time when we really were 759 00:43:04,754 --> 00:43:06,273 having to come of age really. 760 00:43:06,376 --> 00:43:11,174 And signing Phil was in a way an attempt 761 00:43:11,278 --> 00:43:14,937 by me to turn Virgin into amore mainstream record company. 762 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,698 But in fact, it turned out tobe something else altogether, 763 00:43:17,802 --> 00:43:19,976 and broke completely newground, and was enormously 764 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:24,981 important for us in terms of wehad a major crossover record, 765 00:43:25,085 --> 00:43:28,744 and helped to change Virgin all together. 766 00:43:28,847 --> 00:43:31,125 [MUSIC - PHIL COLLINS, "IF LEAVING ME IS EASY"] 767 00:43:31,229 --> 00:43:35,889 [SINGING] I kept those pictures, 768 00:43:35,992 --> 00:43:42,136 but I hide my feelings so no one knows. 769 00:43:53,561 --> 00:44:01,569 Oh sure, my friends all come round. 770 00:44:01,673 --> 00:44:06,436 I'm in a crowd, but I'm on my own. 771 00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:15,514 I think this song is, from therecord, probably my favorite. 772 00:44:15,618 --> 00:44:17,689 And that's probably includingin the "In the Air Tonight." 773 00:44:17,793 --> 00:44:18,932 I've just played "In the Air Tonight" 774 00:44:19,035 --> 00:44:20,450 so many times since I wrote it. 775 00:44:20,554 --> 00:44:26,802 Whereas this, this kindof captured an atmosphere 776 00:44:26,905 --> 00:44:28,907 which was there all the time. 777 00:44:29,011 --> 00:44:32,186 Actually we did it on thetour, the first tour we did. 778 00:44:32,290 --> 00:44:34,741 But I got tired of people talking through it, 779 00:44:34,844 --> 00:44:35,638 so I dropped it. 780 00:44:40,988 --> 00:44:42,334 [SINGING] See I heard 781 00:44:42,438 --> 00:44:44,405 Phil would be playing this delicate song, 782 00:44:44,509 --> 00:44:46,476 and it would just be going along. 783 00:44:46,580 --> 00:44:48,824 [guitar playing] 784 00:44:48,927 --> 00:44:52,620 And then somebody would whistle really loud. 785 00:44:52,724 --> 00:44:54,553 I actually remember himgetting angry at one point. 786 00:44:54,657 --> 00:44:56,210 He goes, shut up! 787 00:44:56,314 --> 00:44:57,729 And it's, you know-- 788 00:44:57,833 --> 00:45:00,801 Because you're trying to do thisdelicate song, and you just-- 789 00:45:00,905 --> 00:45:02,734 it was an American audience, of course. 790 00:45:02,838 --> 00:45:05,219 When I came out onstage here tonight I said, 791 00:45:05,323 --> 00:45:09,568 this Dallas audience wantsto listen to the quiet songs. 792 00:45:09,672 --> 00:45:10,984 Am I right? 793 00:45:15,609 --> 00:45:16,403 I hope so. 794 00:45:22,340 --> 00:45:25,584 Just these two chords here are so 795 00:45:25,688 --> 00:45:31,901 evocative to me of Isaac Hayesor "You Know I Love You, Babe." 796 00:45:37,355 --> 00:45:38,943 I didn't mean to say thosethings about your mother. 797 00:45:44,293 --> 00:45:50,886 Every moment on this, all thegung, gung, were choreographed. 798 00:45:50,989 --> 00:45:54,337 I did it on the drums. 799 00:45:54,441 --> 00:45:56,754 I just basically did thedrum track, and then me then 800 00:45:56,857 --> 00:45:58,894 we added the bass doing what I did, 801 00:45:58,997 --> 00:46:01,759 and then the strings highlighted it. 802 00:46:01,862 --> 00:46:05,728 [SINGING] Love you the same. 803 00:46:05,832 --> 00:46:07,212 That's the one thing-- 804 00:46:07,316 --> 00:46:12,045 The string part that Arif Mardinarranged it was wonderful. 805 00:46:12,148 --> 00:46:14,944 It was one of the highlightsof the record, for me. 806 00:46:15,048 --> 00:46:17,015 Having him stand thereconducting this real orchestra, 807 00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:18,223 you know. 808 00:46:18,327 --> 00:46:20,087 I'm so used to synthesizedstrings at that point. 809 00:46:20,191 --> 00:46:22,434 It was lovely. 810 00:46:22,538 --> 00:46:24,367 ARIF MARDIN: The ending of this song 811 00:46:24,471 --> 00:46:30,891 is so beautiful andserene, and he in his track 812 00:46:30,995 --> 00:46:36,863 he had stabs, almost likeyou don't expect words not 813 00:46:36,966 --> 00:46:39,210 to come up, you have anincredible like a wake up call, 814 00:46:39,313 --> 00:46:40,107 you know. 815 00:46:46,217 --> 00:46:48,046 Very, very beautiful. 816 00:46:56,158 --> 00:46:58,022 And then continues again. 817 00:46:58,125 --> 00:47:00,679 So we had that in a few places. 818 00:47:00,783 --> 00:47:03,337 And it just-- 819 00:47:03,441 --> 00:47:05,512 Phil Collins built an incredible mood there. 820 00:47:05,615 --> 00:47:08,308 And I went along with the mood,and I went along with the mood 821 00:47:08,411 --> 00:47:10,172 shattering stabs, too. 822 00:47:14,279 --> 00:47:28,466 [SINGING] If leaving me iseasy and you know coming back 823 00:47:28,569 --> 00:47:29,467 is harder. 824 00:47:35,507 --> 00:47:36,508 PHIL COLLINS: To me it's an album 825 00:47:36,612 --> 00:47:38,683 of songs that I really like, and songs 826 00:47:38,786 --> 00:47:43,205 that I don't like as much. 827 00:47:43,308 --> 00:47:44,723 Put it that way. 828 00:47:44,827 --> 00:47:51,799 I mean, I'm my own hardest critic, really. 829 00:47:51,903 --> 00:47:54,872 So there's stuff on there that I-- 830 00:47:54,975 --> 00:47:57,288 little moments like"Tomorrow Never Knows," this, 831 00:47:57,391 --> 00:47:59,669 I guess "In the Air." 832 00:47:59,773 --> 00:48:02,120 There's things that I'mvery proud of, that capture 833 00:48:02,224 --> 00:48:04,674 those little moments in time. 834 00:48:04,778 --> 00:48:06,504 I mean it's a surprise that you get an album 835 00:48:06,607 --> 00:48:09,438 like this from a drummer. 836 00:48:09,541 --> 00:48:12,165 I guess-- and I think peopleovercompensated and went out 837 00:48:12,268 --> 00:48:13,649 and bought it. 838 00:48:13,752 --> 00:48:16,479 Because it was a surprise thatI could actually do something 839 00:48:16,583 --> 00:48:17,722 else other than play the drums. 840 00:48:17,825 --> 00:48:19,206 [MUSIC - PHIL COLLINS, "IN THE AIR TONIGHT"] 841 00:48:19,310 --> 00:48:20,069 [SINGING] Yeah. 842 00:48:23,210 --> 00:48:26,973 I've been waiting for this moment all my life. 843 00:48:43,299 --> 00:48:54,586 Waiting for this moment allmy life, for my whole, oh. 844 00:48:54,690 --> 00:48:57,348 [cheering]